The Boob Group
Using Your Breastfeeding Intuition

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CINDY HARTSHORN: As new moms we have the very important job of caring for our new borns. And since babies don’t come with instruction manuals, many times we have to rely on our own experience and intuition to make the right choices. But how can you trust that gut feeling when everyone else around is offering you their own opinion? I am Cindy Hartshorn an IBCLC in private practice in San Diego California. Today we are exploring ways to use our breastfeeding intuition when it comes to reading and understanding our baby’s cues and language. This is The Boob Group.

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LEILANI WILDE: Welcome to The Boob Group, broadcasting from the Birth Education Center of San Diego. The Boob Group is your weekly, online, on the go support group for all things related to breastfeeding. I'm your host, Leilani Wilde, I'm also an IBCLC and owner of Leilani’s Lactation and Doula Services.

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SUNNY GAULT: Okay, hi everybody, so if you aren’t here in San Diego where we record our shows, you can still participate in The Boob Group and we are hoping that you do. We like to post questions on our Facebook and out there on Twitter, questions that we may be asking the panelists here in the studio.

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LEILANI WILDE: We are going to introduce some of our panelist in the studio, and online, or actually on the phone. So we are going to start with Jenna.

JENNA CONKLIN: Hi my name is Jenna Conklin. I’m 36 years old. I’m a stay at home mom. I have a three and a half year old boy and a two and a half month old daughter that I am breastfeeding right now and I breastfed my son until he was 22 months old.

LEILANI WILDE: Wonderful, we hear her in the background a little bit. And we have Tanika on the phone…

TANIKA PARNELL: Yeah, hi. I’m Tanika Parnell. I am 31 years old. I’m a nurse or a part time as a nurse and I have a 13 month old who I am still currently breastfeeding.

LEILANI WILDE: Wonderful.

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SUNNY GAULT: Before we begin our main interview today, I’d like to introduce you to a special guest, Liz Scott is co-executive director of Alex’s Lemonade Stand Foundation which is a nonprofit helping kids fighting childhood cancer by hosting their own lemonade stands. Liz thanks so much for being on our show today.

LIZ SCOTT: Thank you, it’s a pleasure.

SUNNY GAULT: Now Liz, your efforts have not only helped in the fight against pediatric cancer, but so many parents are truly moved by how the foundation got its start. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

LIZ SCOTT: Yes, let’s do. My daughter Alex, was diagnosed with cancer as an infant and she lived her entire life with cancer until she died at the age of eight and a half. When she was just about four years old, she told us she wanted to have a lemonade stand, and I thought, “Okay, sure great, it’s January, it’s a little chilly for lemonade,” and I kept putting her off for several months, and finally one day she was really persistent about it and now it was June. She said, “We can still have my lemonade stand,” and I said, “What do you want to buy? What could you possibly want that badly?” And she said, “I’m not keeping the money, I'm giving it to my doctors so they can help kids the way they helped me.”

And that was really the beginning, she was four years old. I was so proud of her obviously. I also thought it was kind of cute and adorable that how she thought she was going to make a difference for kids with cancer with a lemonade stand. But we sat right out with her and literally from day one, were completely surprised, amazed, overwhelmed by the response people had to what she was doing. And her front yard lemonade stand raised $2000 the first year, and she had one every year after that and would raise $10,000, $20,000. By the time she passed away, she had raised over a million dollars to help find a cure for other kids with cancer.

SUNNY GAULT: That’s amazing. Well we first heard about the foundation through our partners at Babies"R"Us. So can you tell us a little bit more about that partnership with the Toys"R"Us brand?

LIZ SCOTT: Yes, so that partnership has been quite incredible. For several years we’ve been partnering with them. They do in-store fundraising. So anybody can go in to any Toys"R"Us or Babies"R"Us throughout the months of June, July and the first half of August actually, and donate at the register, 100% percent of the money comes to us. But to create awareness they also started a super cute social media campaign called #*4acure, the number ‘4’ and they really just ask people to have a lemonade stand, take a photo, #*4acure or hold up a sign about who you’re starring for. Show something meaningful, somebody important in your life who might be fighting cancer, and just get involved in the conversation really about pediatric cancer specifically.

SUNNY GAULT: Now how will those donations impact the fight against pediatric cancer?

LIZ SCOTT: So the money we raise through all our fund raising efforts, primarily goes to fund research and to new cures, that was something Alex really believed strongly in. We fund institutions all over North America. We have a really competitive grant review process and we get hundreds of applications and we have scientist to score and review them. And we really fund the research that we think has the best chance to lead to new cures. Everything from really new innovative science, all the way through to clinical trials. So it’s been a tremendous boost off for people to have lemonade stands, that partners like Toys”R”Us to really be able to make a difference in this cause.

SUNNY GAULT: And you mentioned children can have their own official Alex’s Lemonade Stand in their community. How does that work?

LIZ SCOTT: One of the great things that came about when Alex was alive through her doing the lemonade stand was other kids without even being asked were just inspired by her and decided to do their own stands.

So that’s something that really carried her to her million dollar goal. But now 10 plus years later, we’ve continued out as a really important part of who we are. Anybody can come to our website, www.alexslemonade.org . Register to hold a stand, if you’re under 14 please have your parents register for you. We will send you a starter kit. We will have a lemonade stand coach get in touch with you via email to offer advice and tips.

It’s a really fun, but meaningful way for kids of all ages to get out there and raise money. Every donation counts. You can raise $10, you can raise $100. We give you an envelope to send it to us in. We’ll even send you a little certificate of acknowledgment. But the point being that all those stands together literary one cup at a time, we’re raising millions of dollars a year, help find cures.

SUNNY GAULT: I love that. And I know so many kids love to do the lemonade stand. So it’s something that they can do, even if they can’t donate. They can get involved and they can get out there in their community and they can be part of it, I love that.

LIZ SCOTT: Yeah, and honestly I think that’s probably why Alex picked a lemonade stand, because she’s very independent minded and she did want something that she could do herself, that we didn’t have to organize for her and do all the work for her. Something that would mean something to her and she felt like she contributed. So it really is a great way for kids to take ownership and really feel wonderful about the fact that they’re making a difference.

SUNNY GAULT: I love it. Well Liz, thank you so much for your efforts with the foundation and for being on our show today, we really appreciate it.

LIZ SCOTT: Thank you, it really is a pleasure.

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LEILANI WILDE: Today on The Boob Group, we’re discussing using your breastfeeding intuition. Our expert Cindy Hartshorn an IBCLC has a private practice in San Diego California. Thank you for joining us Cindy and welcome to the show.

CINDY HARTSHORN: Thanks for having me.

LEILANI WILDE: Cindy what exactly is breastfeeding intuition?

CINDY HARTSHORN: That’s kind of a hard question to answer because it’s not something that you think about, it’s just something that happens. Intuition in any circumstance, “Oh he might fall so try and catch him before that happens.” Or maybe it’s, “My daughter is acting different today…” so you want to take her to the pediatrician. So it’s just kind of a feeling that you get that something is different or something is working better, or not working as well and so you kind of follow up on that instinct.

LEILANI WILDE: Yeah, I know that a lot of moms, when I go to see them, do like a home visit or something like that, they aren’t in touch with their intuition. I try to help them by saying something like, “What are you feeling?” or “What do you think?” or… because a lot of people are more concerned about what other people are telling them, right?

CINDY HARTSHORN: Exactly! The first thing that I talk to my new clients about, my new moms especially, first time moms, everybody has to tell you their story. Everybody has to say, “This is the only thing that worked for me, you should do that.” Or “My baby was so hungry, I had to give them formula after every feeding.” And they get you starting to doubt yourself when you know your baby best. You know that she doesn’t want to eat on the dot every three hours or whatever the circumstance.

So I tell my new moms, you can listen to what everybody has to tell you. They are going to want to tell you, they’re not going to stop. But when it comes down to it, take from them the information that might work for you. If it doesn’t, throw it away. Just smile, say ‘thank you’ move on. Say, “I’ve talked to my lactacian consultant, we’ve got a great plan, and we’re working towards a new goal.”

LEILANI WILDE: Perfect! And you’re right, because some day’s one person’s advice might work great for that day and tomorrow may not work at all, right?

CINDY HARTSHORN: Exactly.

LEILANI WILDE: That’s when you run in to using more of your intuition, maybe sometimes common sense, because sometimes you get some crazy people that have crazy ideas.

CINDY HARTSHORN: Right.

LEILANI WILDE: Right?

CINDY HARTSHORN: The example I use for my clients is I may tell you to stand on your head, breastfeed naked in the lotus position, but if you’re not going to do it, just tell me. I mean I don’t advice anything crazy like that, but it’s just an extreme example for them. Okay so not everything is going to make sense, so just take what you need from the conversation throw the rest out.

LEILANI WILDE: Right. It’s good.

CINDY HARTSHORN: And keep going.

LEILANI WILDE: Jenna, did you trust your intuition right at the beginning?

JENNA CONKLIN: I think with the second, when I did better at that. But when I was first in the hospital with my second, with Everlyn, the lactation nurse was saying, “You’re doing great, you’re a natural and she’s gaining weight,” but it hurt. And it was just extremely painful and so I got home and I was having burning nipples and scabs and I thought, well it was great that all these nurses thought I was doing so well, but I knew that I wasn’t and so that’s when I reached out to Leilani and obviously she didn’t have a good latch, and we got it corrected and it got better right away.

So I think, trusting that I knew something was wrong and if it was going to be that painful, I could see why moms would stop breastfeeding. So I’m glad that I pursued it and…

LEILANI WILDE: Listened to your instinct.

JENNA CONKLIN: Listened to my body, yes.

LEILANI WILDE: Well, how about you Tanika?

TANIKA PARNELL: Yeah, I mean no, I don’t think as a first time mom you quite have that knowledge to trust and you really do rely on a lot of what other people say and you just hope that one day the baby will latch and everything will be beautiful and you’ll be able to walk down the street holding the baby breastfeeding and that’s that.

But it does take a lot of work and I think that the intuition that I think I trusted as a mom was that I wanted was I personally felt was the most healthy thing I guess for me and for my baby. That I was going to do whatever it took to get there. And so I think it took a lot of perseverance and just putting face and intuition and to your gut instinct and definitely a lot of trial and error and just to keep on pushing through.

LEILANI WILDE: Did you put your trust in somebody else since you didn’t have that from the very beginning?

TANIKA PARNELL: Yes, you very much so Leilani and I think just the people around me that were very supportive of what I wanted to do and like kept saying that we were doing a good job, and also I mean I did. I kind of tried to follow my baby’s cues.

There was a lot of… like I believe you were saying earlier that, they might not always want to feed on the two hour mark and sometimes you know go to feed and she would just scream and push away. And I was like, “What’s wrong is maybe this isn't for us, maybe he does need just a bottle.” But just trying to put all of that down and follow his cues, they are people and they do have wants and needs that they can't express other than crying, and fussing and letting you know. And just kind of going based on their cues and following their lead versus so much what ‘I thought was right’ or what I was being told what to do.

LEILANI WILDE: Or what the book say, right? You’re so right. Jenna how about you, who did you put your trust in?

JENNA CONKLIN: Yeah I think I mostly just had to think about what felt right and reaching out to you. I was just… well, what Tanika’s story was reminding me of, in the middle of the night when we first got home with Everlyn she would be crying and my husband would try to help because I just fed her. So he would try to take her, but she would be screaming and he’s like, “Well, I think she wants boobs,” and I was like “It’s the answer to everything, I think she wants the boobs,” and I was like, “I don’t think she does.” And so, then it would make me doubt myself and then we took a video one night and send it to Leilani. She’s like, “No, that’s not a hungry baby,” I'm like, “Well, that’s kind of what I thought.” But it just felt like more validated with some other experts saying, “Yes you’re right.” So we had to learn some other comforting techniques but…

LEILANI WILDE: And you persevered through that, right?

JENNA CONKLIN: And we persevered. Yes.

LEILANI WILDE: Cindy do you teach moms how to trust their intuition?

CINDY HARTSHORN: I guide them with discussion, so that they can feel comfortable with where they are at. I also offer to let them call me or text or email at anytime during their breastfeeding relationship because things change, things come up. “I’m sick,” “I don’t think the baby is getting enough to eat.” You know questions like that when deep down they know the answer. Usually it’s just you are doing a good job, you know what’s best for your baby and then they come back down and “Oh yeah I know what I’m doing, my baby is getting fed, I don’t need to go grab that can of formula or…”

LEILANI WILDE: Right and some of that come from the outside.

CINDY HARTSHORN: It does, because of all the commercials that are pushed in or the samples that are sent in. I have moms who’ve had to use formula and I don’t have a problem with that at all, if that’s the need of the baby. One of the first things we learned in our education is the first important thing is to feed the baby. The moms just need the support to remember, ‘my body was meant to do this’. 100 years ago we didn’t have the formula to just, flip open the cover and it be done. So I think just supporting the new moms through their entire relationships so that they earn the confidence of their intuition is correct.

LEILANI WILDE: So when they go on to their second, third, or fourth babies, however many they might end up having, they’ve built kind of a resource of their own like checking in on themselves. Especially when you can think about all the times that you are going to need those things. When we come back we will discuss with Cindy why it’s so important to trust your instincts when it comes to breast feeding and beyond. We will be right back.

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LEILANI WILDE: Welcome back to the show. We are here with Cindy Hartshorn and IBCLC in San Diego. Cindy why is it important for moms to trust their intuition when it comes to breastfeeding?

CINDY HARTSHORN: I think the most important reason to trust your intuition is because you are… the mom is the primary care giver usually for the baby. They are the ones that are providing the nutrition and that comfort that the babies need as they’re growing from newborn. And a lot of the medical field, they put babies into groups.

They categorize everybody and so you can't say, this baby’s only gained 7 ounces this week but this baby’s gained 10, so the first baby’s got a growth issue. So with the mom understanding where their baby started, where their baby is going and following through that journey, that instinct is really the first line of defense for that baby’s happy growth.

LEILANI WILDE: What happens if they don’t learn to trust their instincts?

CINDY HARTSHORN: That’s bad too. I think the medical field will insert themselves into the growth of the child and while the child may still develop just as well had they been solely breastfed, sometimes it’s kind of counter-intuitive to what the mom wants to do but they’ve learned to self-doubt for so long now that they can't untangle themselves from it, so they get into the hype.

For instance if you top up with formula, eventually your milk production will go down, so then you have to give more formula then your body is not making the milk and so it’s a catch 22 that you are in this vicious circle.

LEILANI WILDE: Yeah, no I mean I think you’ve nailed it. When we don’t trust our instincts and we rely on the ‘white coats’ sometimes right. I hate to say it, but it’s true. Sometimes they just don’t really… they’re not living in our home, they’re not breastfeeding, they’re not living the day to day events that we’re going through and sometimes if something’s not right, we need to understand that we need to horn in on that.

CINDY HARTSHORN: Right.

LEILANI WILDE: Jenna have you run across any of these kinds of obstacles yourself?

JENNA CONKLIN: Yeah I was actually surprised how fast my pediatrician threw formula at me. We went in at 10 days old, and I showed her my nipples and that were all cracked and Everlyn was crying at night. And so she’s like, “Well, maybe you’re not producing enough milk, so here’s some formula,” so that just surprised me. And then I’m in moms’ group so I hear a lot of stories of other moms. And this one mom was sharing this story of how she had a bad experience trying to breastfeed her daughter and she didn’t get the help she needed and eventually gave up and strictly formula fed after that.

And she’s pregnant with her second, and she said, “I’m going to feel much more comfortable giving formula right away.” And it was kind of sad because I thought, “Well, it can be a good experience,” and it does take some work and it’s not easy right from the beginning. But if you trust yourself and reach out to resources that are really helpful and have the same goal that you have in mind then you can do it.

LEILANI WILDE: Right. Tanika what about you?

TANIKA PARNELL: Yeah, I mean we definitely met a lot of obstacles and I think, which Jenna just said but having the same goal in mind and I think it’s something… the most in my experience with my friends and mom groups and patients that I take care of, most moms I think start off wanting to try to breastfeed and then it is kind of trusting those around you and your wants and your needs and I guess kind of your support system to help you be able to obtain those goals. Isaac my son, had three tongue ties actually. Three tongue…

LEILANI WILDE: Tongue tie releases yeah.

TANIKA PARNELL: And that was pretty intense, because after each time he would refuse to nurse and I would end up sobbing thinking he was going to need a feeding tube or something because I didn’t think he was getting everything that he needed.

But you kind of have to rely literally I relied a lot on her. You know text messages at 2 AM advising me on how to kind base my decisions and everything on what he was telling me and also following his lead as well. Those are huge obstacles for us and so many times I thought I could turn to formula or child bottle and just be done with it all and just how much technically easier at that time it would have been.

But again trusting my instincts and my want and need and desire to breastfeed had remained open until now even 13 months and to be able to continue that relationship and be on that kind of journey with him. Really I think helps me get through those obstacles.

LEILANI WILDE: Yeah the power of our passion, right. I think sometimes overcomes the doubt of what we know. So Tanika did you ever experience what we would call ‘helpful advice’ maybe that our parents or our in laws might have said, “Hey, when I did this, when I had my baby this is how I did it and I think your baby needs this…” and then they try to kind of take over and tell you how to do things, have you experienced anything like that?

TANIKA PARNELL: I mean are we talking up to date stuff or going all the way back …?

LEILANI WILDE: Well from… really, it’s all part of it right, from day one through day whatever life your baby is at right now. As a new mom sometimes being told what to do or how to do it, is not always the best way we learn. So what’s your experience?

TANIKA PARNELL: No, not at all. I mean I guess a great example would be, my mom she lives across the country, but she was out in California with us for the first month after my son was born and he just could be I guess colicky in the evening hours. Like typical fussy for a few hours every evening for the first few weeks of his life. And every time, my mom goes, “He just wants to eat, he just wants to eat.” And pretty much shoved him on to me. And not necessarily the gut because at that point you are still exhausted, you’re just hoping something helps him calm down.

But I’m like, “He just ate, like how can this be possible?” And then you are dealing with regulating your supply and trying to fight the urge to just start sobbing yourself because your baby is sobbing and so you kind of almost at that point do give in and say, “My mom did it and I turned out okay. So maybe she does know on…” But I think that at that point it is about learning how to follow again your baby’s cues and how to follow your gut. I was like, I’m squirting him in the face like I feel like I’m water boiling right now.

(Inaudible) this isn’t going well for anybody. I'm sobbing, my husband is in the corner rocking, my son is screaming, and we’re just in this crazy scenario and kind of, again coming all back to your gut and say, “Let’s try something else,” or “This is my feeling maybe we can try this and see if it works.” And again for this stage there is a lot of that said, “I know myself, I know my child, I’m trying to and I’m trying to get to know them and create this life with them. So let’s try it this way even though thank you for letting me turn out so wonderful and for doing what you did for me.”

Putting acknowledging them along the way and appreciating where they’re coming from and then kind of using your instincts and your intuition as a mom and as a person and now there’s this amazing life that you created. Using all of these things to kind of steer it in a different direction and the learning what works for you and then you can say well there, this is working for us. Maybe you learn from me this time.

LEILANI WILDE: Yeah, I think that you’re right in regards to honoring your parents. Honoring your parents and letting them know that you respect and appreciate the advice that they have for you. But sometimes being respectful is enough for the in-laws or the parents when all they really want to do is help. I mean they’ve seen their babies suffering right, and so they want to step in. Cindy, don’t you agree?

CINDY HARTSHORN: Yeah, this is where you nod your head, say, “Thanks for the advice mom, I’m working with my lactation consultant, we’ve got a great plan.”

LEILANI WILDE: Yeah that’s good. And Jenna what about you?

JENNA CONKLIN: My mother in law was funny when I was pregnant with my first, she was just so concerned. Always asking me, “Are you going to breastfeed?” And I was like, “Well, yeah I’m planning on it, I can't guarantee it because I haven’t heard this baby yet, I don’t know how it’s going to go.” And then she would say, “Well, how long are you going to breastfeed, are you going to breastfeed to a year?” “Well I think so, but I don’t know how long it’s going to go.”

Then we made it to a year, and then all of a sudden once that hit, it was like, “Well, when are you going to be done with this? When are you going to wrap it up?” And I breast fed until he was 22 months, and then I would start getting these jokes from my in laws about how old my son was going to be and still be breastfeeding. And be going to first grade still breast feeding. So it’s just so funny and ironic to me that it became, “Are you going to… how long are you going to and then when are you going to wrap it up?” And such a personal choice and experience and you just have to what’s right for… what’s working for…

LEILANI WILDE: For you and your family.

JENNA CONKLIN: For you and your family and it was working for us. We were going through a lot of changes, we were moving and going on airplanes, and there were a lot of changes. I wasn’t ready to give that up and my son could have kept going for a long time I think.

LEILANI WILDE: Cindy, is trusting your intuition helpful beyond breastfeeding?

CINDY HARTSHORN: Absolutely, it’s something that I think people need to recognize when their intuition kicks in, in everyday life. Whether you're catching the can of corn that’s about to fall on your child’s head, whether you stop short because the car in front of you stopped. It’s a life thing that I think people should really start paying close attention to.

LEILANI WILDE: I agree. One of the things that I like to tell my clients is, when you learn to tune in to your intuition, it helps you from not only from day one, but all the way through the years of even teenage years. Because if you don’t trust that your child is telling you the truth, if you’re like, “Well, they might be telling the truth.” And you know instinctively that they’re lying but you haven’t like tapped into that instinct, then they’re going to pull a lot of wool over your eyes.

CINDY HARTSHORN: That’s true.

LEILANI WILDE: That’s why I say you really need to learn early on as quickly as possible to trust those because they are a really valuable guide for many things not just life but our children.

CINDY HARTSHORN: And having your partner understanding when your intuition kicks in and being by your side and understanding and agreeing with that is amazing.

LEILANI WILDE: Yes it is having the whole pictures.

CINDY HARTSHORN: Exactly.

LEILANI WILDE: The best. Well thank you so much Cindy and our panelists for helping us all better understand the value of trusting our instincts when it comes to breastfeeding and beyond. And for our Boob Group club members, our conversation will continue after the end of the show. As Cindy will talk about her own personal experience of learning how to trust her own instincts when it came to breastfeeding. For more information about our Boob Group club please visit our website at www.newmommymedia.com .

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SUNNY GAULT: Hey Boob Group listeners it’s time for a special segment we have on the show called ‘Boob Oops’ and it’s where we like to share funny breastfeeding stories that have happened to us or pumping stories in this case. This comes from Crystal Cooper and she posted this on our Facebook page.

‘I was working backstage at St. Louis fashion week doing hair and makeup all day long. I was definitely overdoing pumping and we got a small break. I found a secluded spot or so I thought, and hooked myself up. A male stylist saw me sitting in the corner, half hidden by a tall table and decided to come chat it up with me. I'm not very modest and I knew I wasn’t showing anything and we didn’t see backstage anyway.

We talked for about five minutes and he stopped and said, “What the hell was that weird noise?” I simply told him I was pumping and with a confused face, not knowing what that meant, he stared at me for a second. The light bulb went on and he slowly stepped backwards a few steps and then booked it as far away from me as possible never to speak of it again. LOL. . . He was mortified and thought it was hilarious.’

I love how sometimes people look at you, people that have no idea about breastfeeding and pumping. And it’s like they’re just so shocked they don’t even know what to do. I would have loved to have been like a little fly on the wall Crystal when this happened. It sounds so funny. Well hopefully he kind of got over that embarrassment and you guys are still friends. But I love this story thanks so much for sending it in.

If you guys have a funny boob oops, we will love to hear it, we will love to share with other breastfeeding mamas out there. You can send us an email through our website at www.newmommymedia.com. You can also call our voicemail at 619-866-4775 and leave us a message and we’ll go ahead and play that message on one of our shows. So thanks so much Crystal, great story.

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LEILANI WILDE: That wraps up our show for today. We appreciate you listening to The Boob Group.
Don’t forget to check out our sister shows:
• Preggie Pals for expecting parents
• Parent Savers for moms and dads with newborns, infants and toddlers
• Twin Talks, for our show with parents of multiples.

Thanks for listening to The Boob Group: “Your judgement-free breastfeeding resource.”

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