ZKaile Hunt 0:09
Whether your maternity leave is coming to an end or you are already back to work, today, we are talking about breastfeeding tips while heading back to work. Thanks for joining us. This is newbies.

Kaile Hunt 0:53
Welcome to newbies. My name is Kaile Hunt and I'll be your host today. If you haven't already, be sure to visit our website, at New mommy media.com and subscribe to our weekly newsletter, which keeps you updated on all the episodes we release each week. Another great way to stay updated is to hit that subscribe button in your podcast app. And if you're looking for a way to get even more involved with our show, then check out our online community. It's called Mighty moms. That's where we chat more about the topics discussed here on our show. And it's also an easy way to learn about our recording so you can join us live. Our expert today is Lisa Myers. Lisa has a unique story that I think a lot of listeners will resonate with. When she returned to work as a lawyer after having her son, she was determined to make this journey work. She had struggled with breastfeeding with her daughter, and was committed to successfully breastfeeding her son in whatever way that looked like. But for her, she worked in an office with mostly male colleagues, and quickly realized that she was out of luck. As far as safe, discreet, which is important to breast milk storage, she looked for ways to make work life, pumping more manageable, being incredibly stubborn, like most mothers are, and resourceful, she got down to work, and by inventing a simple, versatile and convenient solution, she filed for a patent and began working with an amazing team of friends to make series chill available to any mom in search of a better way to achieve her breastfeeding goals, while continuing to be great professional success. Lisa, I love your bio. Thank you for joining us. Tell us where you're located and how old your two kids are now.

Lisa Myers 2:20
Okay, I love my bio when you say it too. Yeah, I It's all the truth, which I guess is the best part. I I think that that it, not only is it the truth, it makes it relatable for other moms. I think a lot of people think that somehow, because I started a company and it's doing so well, I'm somehow special, but really it's that I knew what moms needed, because I have been in the trenches, and I definitely face the same struggles, and so to have the community come up around us and to be able to help so many moms has been great. But yeah, I am. I'm out in Washington State on a little island across from Seattle, which is great. I'm where I'm raising my two kids, Teagan and Colin. Teagan is my daughter. She is 10, and Colin is six, and so, yeah, it's really it's a great place to raise kids, and it's been interesting. I know that you are a military spouse. I launched the company during COVID while my husband was deployed in Iraq. So that was fun. That was super fun.

Kaile Hunt 3:31
That's a lot, yeah, being a military spouse. And it's funny, because every spouse is a little different. I can relate with you, because my husband works insanely crazy amount of hours where he's literally gone for weeks on end where some spouses, you know, their husband, has a nine to five, which is awesome. I wish that was like that. So, yeah, definitely difficult. And so I applaud you even more for launching a company with a kid. Oh, geez, are too gay? That's wild. Anyway, we have more questions for you coming up, but first, let's take a quick break. You. Music. Welcome back today, we're discussing breastfeeding struggles that you know you might come to face as a working mom. So first question, I really want to dive into your first pregnancy and breastfeeding. So let's chat about your first pregnancy. Did you know early on, which is kind of hard to think about. But did you know early on that you wanted to breastfeed? Did you have, like, a big drive when you were pregnant with your daughter? No,

Lisa Myers 4:26
I think, like a lot of moms, I just took it for granted and didn't give it too much thought. I wasn't, you know, grossed out or freaked out by giving formula, but certainly just thought, oh yeah, I'll breastfeed it. I'll just do that. I'll just wake up, you know, I'll have my daughter wake up and start breastfeeding. And I hate to correct anything that you said, Kaylee, but you mentioned challenges that you know, working moms who want to breastfeed face and I'll just say having. Learn so much about the women out there that are trying to breastfeed. It's everyone. It's absolutely everyone, so many stay at home moms who are exclusively breastfeeding, or, you know, facing, you know, tongue ties or or different physical challenges for them or their baby or mental like, I mean, there's, it's, it's certainly affects all of us. It seems like pretty equally, but working moms and traveling moms, it's added challenges.

Kaile Hunt 5:26
Absolutely I can so relate with you. I I really heavily researched and prepared for my birth, and I was like, you. I was like, Oh yeah, I want to breastfeed, but I'm okay with formula. I was a formula fed baby. My mom didn't breastfeed. Actually, no one in my family breastfed, so I didn't really have anyone to look to. And then, you know, once the baby comes, it's like, okay, are you gonna breastfeed? We gotta do it now. Oh, we gotta do it in another two hours, another two hours, and you're in that loop for the next, you know, three to six weeks, truly. And so anyway, talking about your first daughter, Did you face any struggles while you were home with her before you went back to work.

Lisa Myers 6:03
So the struggles started within the first few minutes of her life. It seems like, yeah, I was in labor for 52 hours and on an emergency C section. Yeah, and I remember coming to and looking up and on the whiteboard in front of me, there was, it was like, your goals for the day, and it was exclusively breastfeed. And like, exclusively was underlined twice, and I'm like, Oh, I was gonna try to survive today and keep small human alive. But okay, apparently my goal is exclusively breastfeeding. So what we'll try to do and she, you know, I don't remember there being a problem with her, you know, latching, but I do remember her crying and crying and crying that first night, and I was certain it was because I had no milk. I was like, I am a horrible mother, and I don't know what's wrong with me, but she won't stop crying, and it must be because she's hungry. And so I begged my husband to go out to the nurses like somebody, please do something. This poor baby is dying of starvation, and it's my fault. And they slipped in some formula like it was crack, and it was a Baby Friendly Hospital, right? So for all your listeners that don't know, it's supposed to be hospitals that pretty much outlaw formula and put not just an emphasis, but a in a aggressive insistence on breastfeeding. And I hate that it's called Baby Friendly, like, if you are considering the needs of the mom and the baby, you're somehow not, and it might involve formula, you're not baby friendly. And the big problem, lactation consultants say, is when they slip you formula, like it's a big secret, and then you don't tell your lactation consultant your supply drops, because that baby's getting fed something else. You're not being like you're not being honest or fully transparent with a somebody who could help you, and so then you don't get what you need to maybe meet breastfeeding goals. So there was a long answer to your question, but it started from the jump. I started. I started supplementing with formula from the very first night of her life. I later found out from a lactation consultant. She's like, Hey, Lisa, you should not feel bad at all. I think you can be successful with Colin with your son. And think about what she had gone through, like she probably had a headache, like you were exhausted, you were in pain. She had also been in labor for 52 hours and then, like, plucked out of your belly through an incision, like maybe she was dealing with some stuff too, and I'm like, Oh my gosh. Like, never had that perspective before. So yeah, I think that the emphasis I would put on is getting the help you need, and particularly with a lactation consultant that that cares and can hear you out and also consider your needs as well as what might be best for the baby. Absolutely.

Kaile Hunt 9:11
And I think, oh, to be a first time mom again, but with all this knowledge Right? Like you, we do so much while we're pregnant, but I feel like nothing really informs us, rather than just going through it the first Yeah, yeah. Tell me, not even for, like, very positive stories, but it just would go through one ear and out. It wouldn't retain with me, I don't know. And so I love that you, you know, you did supplement a little bit and breastfeed, and then your lactation consultant was like, you can do this with your second kid. Um, how long did you breastfeed your daughter for and then when you were pregnant with your son, did you know early on that you wanted to give it a go again?

Lisa Myers 9:45
Yeah, so I made it to six months with my daughter, off and on, I pumped, didn't, wasn't hugely successful with that. I worked with all men, and it was. Yes, and a lot of travel. I was a litigator with an international law firm, and, yeah, I just, I, I made it to six months. And that was, you know, a goal that a lot of moms had, but I supplemented with formula from the beginning with my son, you know, again, the importance of community and having somebody who's a real support. One of my friends was saying, Oh, if you want to breastfeed, you should definitely speak with Katie Dunning, who was, like, this local wise woman and internationally accredited lactation consultant, ibclc, and she was the best. She insisted that I speak to her before I had Colin, I'm like, That's weird, but she's like, No, no, let's just have a conversation and talk about your goals and, you know, challenges you think you might face. And so she gave me a lot of perspective. And then when I had him, the hospital was not super helpful. What happens with the lactation consultants? They go around, they make sure that the baby can kind of, you know, figure out what they're doing, and then they have to really address the people that are facing bigger challenges than you are, so they quickly move on. But yeah, I was able to breastfeed call in. Well, it was also a pandemic, right? So we all probably breastfed longer than we thought we would, because you figure it's the best thing you can do for your child, plus you're with them all the time. So I breastfed Colin for two years, and I think the thing that made the biggest change for me, because part of that was outside of COVID and me traveling for work, was Katie telling me So Colin had tongue ties, and she's looking at me as I'm feeding him, and she's like, that toe curling pain that I see you're in, is that the whole time or just at the beginning? And I'm like, oh, it's for the whole time. It's like, okay, we're gonna figure this out. You do not need to keep, like, pushing through pain the way you're doing and so, yeah, it was great because she gave me the advice I needed to get his tongue tie revision sorted out. That made a huge difference. And she told me she's like, if you give him one ounce of your milk every day, or for whatever days you can make it happen, you're doing incredible things for him, that's all you really need to do, but we're gonna make this work for you. And I'm like, That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. And so when you put it in those perspectives, that perspective Kelly of just one ounce, like, I think I could do that. Like, one ounce, yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure I could do one ounce a day, and before you know it, you're doing like, you know, 45 ounces a day for two years, because you put it like just one. What is it? Every great journey begins with a single step. It's like every insanely long breastfeeding journey begins with a single

Kaile Hunt 12:58
ounce. Oh, yes, that was so true. And I do feel like, I mean, there are some unicorn women, right, who just have a beautiful breastfeeding journey. But that was not me. I was very similar to you. It was so painful for me for honestly, the first, like, 12 weeks. And I remember I kept Googling, like, does it get better after six weeks, after eight weeks after I was like, What is going on with my case? My daughter, she was born very small, full term, healthy. She's just really petite, like, very petite. And so her poor little mouth was just so little, it would just pinch down on me. And because I checked her for tongue ties, you know, lip ties, all of that, and nothing, they were like, no, no. She's just, like, really small, small bites. So I was basically, like, nursing a newborn for the first 12 weeks.

Unknown Speaker 13:38
Oh gosh, she

Kaile Hunt 13:40
was just so small. She was just under six, um pounds anyway, and so it does eventually get better. But now I'm my daughter's 20 months at the time we're recording, and I'm still nursing her, you know. So I what you just said about, you know, it starts with an ounce, and, you know, you get determined. It's so, so true. I feel like mothers who do struggle in any capacity, they are so determined, right? Like whether you have to go back to work and you struggled in the first couple of months, and then you're like, No, everything's good. Now I'm gonna continue feeding my kid, you know, breast milk, if that's what they choose. I absolutely love that quick question before we jump into break, when did you go back to work with your son and how was the pumping situation like?

Lisa Myers 14:20
So yes, I went back to work just shy of three months, same as with my daughter, same as with, I think most women who are lucky enough to have any leave at all, and yeah, the pumping situation, it was a non situation. I was lucky enough to have my own office. There was a very dark room that did have a chair and an outlet and you could pump there. It wasn't terrible. Certainly, there's, I've seen worse, but yeah, it wasn't. There wasn't it wasn't that there was a lack of support. There was just a lack period. There was just, like, it was a non. Thing again, I worked with mostly men, and my pumping situation was me trying to remember all the things in the fog that is those first few months of having a baby and definitely failing to put together the fact I needed something to keep my milk cold and safe between work and home. So that's how we ended up with me inventing something. I am so not an inventor, and so not an entrepreneur. And it's just, you know, moms Rise to the challenges all of us do. And yeah, that's how we ended up with series chill. But if you want, you could jump into the break, and then I could fill everybody in on, how on the hell escape that created the opportunity? Yes,

Kaile Hunt 15:44
yes. Let's take a quick break, and when we return, we will get all of the good details about series chill. Welcome back. So before the break, we were talking about what led to Lisa inventing series chill, so let's just jump right in. Talk about it. What led you to create series chill? Talk about the moment you were sitting at your desk and you were like, This can't go on anymore, you know, I need to make a change.

Lisa Myers 16:10
Yeah, well, and a lot of people ask me, Do you remember when you first came up with the idea? I said I can almost pinpoint the email that I was writing at the time, because I was just in the middle of my work day. I had managed. I was so pleased with myself. I brought all my pump parts to work. I pumped. I'd actually like, created milk. It was lined up on my desk in the little you know, the plastic bottles all lined up, you can picture it. And then I was like, Ooh, poor execution. What do I do with this? So I thought, Okay, well, I gotta get it to a fridge. And so I'm like, only fridge is the big communal fridge where everybody you know has their lunch and hangs out, and whatever event we're having for whatever group we're hosting, all the food goes in there. So I'm like, Oh, hey, guess I gotta put it there. So I'm like, and I gotta walk down the hall, and none of these guys want to be confronted with the fact that I'm actively lactating. So stuff, yeah, stuff, the bottles in my pot, my suit pockets. Walk down the hall, go to the fridge and kind of set them in the fridge and look at them and go, Yeah, that's not good. So then I went to office services. I got a paper bag, I put them in the paper bag. I put them in the fridge, and I'm like, do not forget your milk before you run to catch the ferry to get home. So I managed to remember to get it home. But I went back to my desk, sat down and like, I need the breast milk thermos thing. Gosh, I can't believe I didn't think of that. So I go on to Amazon, like a good American consumer, going to Amazon look for the breast milk thermos thing that I knew I needed. It's not there. That's weird. So I went to Google looking it's not there. Like, this is absurd. I know what I need, and couldn't find it. My friend, one of the few women at the firm, she was in labor and employment, she came by, and she's like, Hey, Lisa, all the guys are at lunch, like, Come on, let's go. You're late. I said, No, no, no, I'm looking for this thing. I really need, you know, the thing, to transport my breast milk. She said, What are you even talking about? You need a cooler. I said, Helen, let me stop you. I, for sure, do not need another bag, and I definitely don't need a cooler. No, thank you. I'm looking for the breast milk thermos. She's like, you're insane. I don't know what you're talking about. Buy the cooler and let's go. I This. The best part of this whole thing Kaylee is I refused. I dug in so hard on that that she ended up buying me my first and only cooler because I was just like, I cannot tolerate another bag. You already feel like a hot mess going back to work, I'm like, I do not need another bag. So I got a cooler. I hated it as much as I thought I would, you know, and moms see it, everybody knows, everybody knows what it is. And they're just like, oh, girl, I've been there. Like, they just look at you and they like, shake their head. They're like, good on you for, like, trying to make it work. And what I love about series chill, having managed to invent it and manufacture it and get it out there in the world, is that now moms celebrate that part of their life. I mean, it's certainly not easy. I don't mean to say that I've changed. I've changed pumping so that it's like every mom's greatest joy, but or transferring breast milk is entirely effortless, but I just love the stories. There was a woman that was traveling to a Marine Corps Leadership Conference in Washington, DC as an officer, and there was another woman that was traveling, and they saw each other in the TSA line, and they held up their chillers in solidarity. And they were like, you know, go get them. And they're like, yelling across the TSA line to each other about, like, how awesome it was. They were making it all happen. And so it's just a different experience than the stuff moms had to deal with before. Oh,

Kaile Hunt 19:54
definitely. And I think I'm even thinking, like, what mom who works doesn't already have back? So you have your purse, and then you have your lunch bag sometimes, and then you have paperwork, right, whether you're a teacher, a lawyer, a news or whatever it is, you have bags with you, and then you have to take another cooler with you, like we have two hands, yeah, two arms. And so that is crazy. Okay, so walk me through what exactly is series chill, and how does it differ, right, from carrying all the bags plus a cooler,

Lisa Myers 20:23
you asked the best questions. Kelly, thank you. Yes, it's totally different in that those coolers just, they were just they hobbled moms, in my opinion. And what made me so angry was that the entire world had advanced for every other member of society, it seemed, except for pumping moms, because those coolers have a freeze, pack a bunch of plastic and then, just like soft, and I'm using air quotes here, insulated walls, but the they last, they could keep milk at a quasi safe temperature for six to eight hours. And I don't know about you, but I nobody's day or night is six to eight hours, and certainly no moms so, so it was going to work, and then, heaven forbid, you wanted to do anything after work, like you know, maybe hit the gym, if you're lucky, maybe get your commute in, go find Your kids at daycare, get them home, maybe grab a drink with a colleague, or dinner with your husband, like anything. All of it was impossible, a full work day, a commute. All of it did not work with a cooler situation. So the chiller is a two chambered steel system, so no plastic for the storage space for the breast milk, and then it's all 304, grade stainless steel, no lead components. I made sure that the bottle was the absolute highest quality that the world had to offer. So it outperforms pretty much every bottle out there, and keeps up with the, you know, the all the big names you're thinking of that we use for water and coffee, whether it's Yeti or Hydro Flask or swell and yeah, it will last for 20 hours. And all you need is a handful of ice you can pump directly into it. So everything you need to double pump is included in the chiller, and then also the upper cup, and the inner chamber converts to a baby bottle, and you can use the chiller as a breast milk or formula warmer at any point when you're out on the go as well. I

Kaile Hunt 22:30
love that so much. So, what has the feedback been? And I'm actually before you answer that question, I'm actually kind of curious on your business standpoint point, how did you even begin to Google? How can I create my own breast milk? Um, chill, you know, cooler. Like that is insane to me. How you had this idea, which isn't insane, right? It's a very reasonable idea. But then from point A to point like, what D or C or E, you know? Like, how did that happen? How did you start Googling? Like, I can do this. Where did you begin?

Lisa Myers 23:01
Yeah, it's a great question, and I would say that I used to be terrible at asking for help and drawing on the community around me. I always was a bit of a lone wolf and tried to make everything happen by sheer force of will on my own. But when I was at the law firm, you know, I started by asking the guys that I knew in the intellectual property department, if any if I was right that nothing like this existed. And they said I was so that was a help. I kind of knew how to do an IP search, but they helped me really nail it down. And then the other thing is that, you know, they they said, Lisa, if this doesn't exist, think about why it doesn't exist. Probably there's a benefit, as you said to these large companies continuing to sell disposable plastic. So tons of plastic bags, moms go through mountains of waste. And so they said, these companies are going to try to stop you from creating this product. It will be a challenge. You could file the patent and license it to them, but they'll probably shelf it. They'll want to keep it from being created. So buy the patent just to keep it from existing. I didn't want that for moms, so I just started, oh my gosh, you're taking me back. I don't want to take up the whole show with this. You're good. I'm interested. Okay. I spoke to so many engineering firms all up and down the west coast. So many of them basically gave me the equivalent of a pat on it, on the head, and a little like, you know, push in the back as I was sent out the door. I had a couple firms take my money, who I think legitimately wanted to help me, but just either they couldn't listen very well or they just didn't. Or sand. There was a lot of mansplaining, lot of mansplaining where I was told, Lisa, you know, you said you want it, because they kept saying, I want fewer parts than a mom would be facing for cleaning up the mess of a cooler. And I want it to be smaller. I felt like, you know, Steve Jobs or some, some brilliant creator with the iPhone, like, make it fit this, but make it do all these things. And so these guys kept telling me, like, you know, they would have, like, great, great advice for me. They say, Lisa, you want it to be smaller. We figured out a way to make it much smaller. We did some research. And infants typically eat, you know, anywhere from like, you know, four to six ounces so we can make it a lot smaller. And I'm just like, staring at them. I'm like, my actually, I know. I'm like, I don't care how much a baby eats. I care how much I have to get literally, off my chest to be able to survive a day and not leak all over or have mastitis. So that's, that's the problem we're trying to solve, fellas, back to the drawing board. So I finally I started, I was just cold calling looking for an engineer that could help me desperately trying to find the right people and getting turned away. Then I started cold knocking on doors so I would get off the ferry and I would find addresses of design firms or engineering firms in like places like Pioneer Square, and I would go knock on the door and see if people would have a conversation with me. I would do it on my way to work like I wasn't. I definitely was on top of my cases I have. I can't do anything halfway, so I was keeping my workload, but in my free time, I was trying to figure this problem out. So I found a really great engineering firm, pillar design in West Seattle, and basically my own backyard, which was crazy, and they did a great job. They're great listeners, and we got an initial design pulled together. I met with them several times they puzzled it out I had filed my own provisional patent. So Kaylee, I will tell you all your listeners, if they have an idea, I'm happy to talk with them. I would love to support what they're doing, but the international patent and trademark office is one of the most user friendly, lay person friendly government agency and websites they've ever seen, they have all kinds of tutorials. I filed my provisional patent by myself. I am not a patent attorney. I'm not even a useful attorney. I'm not a business attorney. I was a litigator. I could stand up in court and tell a really good story. That's my thing. So yeah, but if anybody wants to go to the USPTO website and figure out how to file their own trademark for their own business or or file their own provisional patent, I highly recommend going there. This is not legal advice. You definitely should get legal advice, especially as you progress through the process. But my advice is to do your best to protect your idea up front and then share it as widely as possible so you can get the support you need to be successful. I

Kaile Hunt 28:07
love that. Well, thank you for diving deep. I was curious, and I love I can. I can literally hear slash, feel your passion for this. So what is the feedback been like? I'm actually looking on your website right now, and I love that you can one, customize it, pick your favorite color, pick your cool font on the your cooler or your chiller. So what has the feedback been like since you launched? And when exactly did you launch? And then feedback from then to now?

Lisa Myers 28:33
Yeah. So launched right at the beginning of COVID Perfect, January of 2020, and the feedback has been really overwhelming. So I when I say overwhelming, I will say that I get really uncomfortable, as I guess that's the best way to describe it. Moms credit me or the chiller for getting to a certain point in their breastfeeding journey, and they swear they never thought they would get there. And what I will say to all your listeners is not necessarily that you need a chiller to succeed as a breastfeeding parent, but that if you can do your best to remove as many barriers as possible between you and what you want for you and your baby, you have a significantly higher rate of success. It's like, it seems like a small thing, but being able to put something like the chiller on your nightstand so that, you know, if you're pumping in the middle of the night, or you're passively collecting milk, you can just pour it in there and not have to get up and, you know, in a cold house and sneak past all the people that are sleeping and go to the fridge and get that blast of light and cold air, put your milk in the fridge, come back to bed, and you're like, I'm awake. That

Kaile Hunt 29:55
was me. Yeah. That was me the first two months. Literally, yeah. And.

Lisa Myers 29:59
And so if you can make it just even the tiniest bit easier for yourself, I also threw away 1000s of ounces of milk going through TSA because I had to travel, but I couldn't transport my milk because six to eight hours won't do it. And if you go through TSA with a ice pack and it's not fully frozen, they make you throw it away, because it can be a bomb. With series chill, you can just dump the ice, and then you just go up to any Starbucks or flight attendant or bar, get more ice, and you're back in business for another 20 hours. So it just helps, like anything that you can do for yourself to make it just that tiniest bit easier, whether it's, you know, a blanket or a nursing pillow or I don't know, something to comfort you and something to reassure you and support you, it's a big deal. So yeah, your question. Sorry. Moms say a great deal about how serious chill has helped them, whether they're a postal worker with no air conditioning and 100 degree days, you know, pumping while they're out there on their route or their long haul truck drivers or their executives that are traveling for work. One mom so cool, she's a trainer for a for a semi professional hockey team that travels, and she said, like being on the busses with the athletes and then be going straight to the the training rooms and the treatment rooms and then the hotel and the fridges, you know, are unreliable, that there was no way she would have gotten to, you know, the 18 months that she made it to without the chiller. She said, I never call any companies ever, but I just wanted to call you and I answer the phones on the weekends, because I want to make sure that my the people that I work with, can have some downtime. But yeah, so it's, it's certainly those moms supporting each other and and getting farther than they thought they could that keep me going, because it's a all hours, all hands on deck kind of job. I

Kaile Hunt 32:08
love that. Yeah. Well, hold on, we'll have more questions coming up, but first, let's take a quick break, and then when we jump back, I want to get more in depth about where our listeners can find you. You Lisa, welcome back. We are talking with Lisa a series chill. I love this episode. We are talking in between the break about how I think this would be the perfect stocking stuffer baby registry, even if after Christmas, you still want to spoil yourself and get yourself something nice, right? As a new mom, a pregnant mom, your best friend just had a baby, which my best friend didn't just have a baby a couple days ago. I'm gonna definitely be buying this. So anyway, where can our listeners look up your product and where can they, I guess, purchase it? Yes. So

Lisa Myers 32:55
it's conveniently in lots of places. Thank goodness, all the main places online. So you can go to our website series, chill, C, E, R, E, S, C, H, I, L, l.com, I'm sure you'll have it in the notes, and we have a special discount for all of your listeners that will also be included in the notes. And something to know is that if you go to our website, you can personalize your chiller so you can put motivational phrase on it, or you can put your name on it, in case, you've got lots of co workers that also love series chill. And then you can put, we have a wide range of of different designs you can put on it. So, you know, in my pumping era, all of the fun stuff, and you can use the other thing to know is whether you shop on our website or on Amazon or on a site like Optum, which is, you know, just for FSA, HSA dollars, you can use your health spending account money on pretty much every product we sell, and the chiller is intended to be used for the rest of Your Life. So there's nothing worse than buying something beautiful for your baby and then just waiting for it to end up in a landfill, or, if you're lucky, you have somebody that you can give it to. But you know, breast milk and formula can be kind of like an intimate thing and so but having something that's your own, we have a straw top with a tea infuser accessory, so perfect for stockings or just to treat yourself. We have tea sets. We also have, I was thinking of the things I would like to share with a friend back in the day, or things I would want to put on my registry. And we have a love the on Rose gift set, which has a rose gold chiller with a bottle of rose by a beautiful women owned winery in Washington. It's delicious, and it's very pretty and perfect for gifting, because it comes with a tote and, you know, any adapters a mom might need for her pump. But, yeah, just a neat idea for for gifts. Yourself or to add to your registry, we're on baby list, so we partner closely with baby list, which I love, but yeah, FSA, HSA dollars before the end of the year, the beginning of the year, and certainly for going back to work or a new mom, especially an exclusive pumping mom, I found that it's a gift that's greatly appreciated. And you also look like the coolest which is sometimes what you're trying to do at a baby shower, you're like something for you, I got something for you, mom, not for the everybody jokes about how baby showers are a party that oftentimes you're involved in the planning. It's it's a really big deal, and then you have to sit there for gifts that go to somebody else,

Kaile Hunt 35:43
definitely. And I just love, I don't know your your website's amazing. I'm like, looking at it. I think I'm gonna buy one as we get off the call. But I just love the I just, I can definitely feel and hear like the needs of women, because you can pump in it. It could also be, you know, used for formula, it could, I mean, it's just so versatile. And I love that, I love that it's not like, for instance, a pump, right? You only use a pump when you're pumping, or when you're you're nursing, and then it just kind of, as far as mine, it's sitting in the closet, you know, it's not being used, but, and as far and it's the same as baby bottles too, right? Because now my toddler is using a sippy cup or an Open Cup, you know. So I'm not even using the baby bottles anymore, but you can still use this chiller for a good wine hole afterwards, which is absolutely amazing. Last question before we pop in real quick,

Lisa Myers 36:30
really? I have to pop in because I just, I feel like it's really important for you to know that you can chill an entire bottle of wine in less than 20 minutes without diluting it by using your chiller. You can't do that with a fridge. I'm just saying

Kaile Hunt 36:43
that's amazing. I love that even more now. And on the topic of baby bottles,

Lisa Myers 36:47
I know we have to go, but I couldn't help myself. You can, you can edit if we need to, but I need to tell you we're coming out with glass baby bottles in the next couple months. And my whole thing is, why do baby bottles have to be so institutional and industrial? And to your point, they have no use except to feed a baby. And again, it's kind of this intimate thing, and especially the plastic gets gross eventually. And so then you're like, Who do I give these to? I guess I recycle them. Or, if you're between babies, you're like, do we keep this cupboard dedicated to baby bottles that keep falling out? Or do we put them in the attic or the downstairs, as we like, you know, figure out when we're gonna have another kid or struggle with whatever process you're going through. My baby bottles, I'm so excited. So they're glass, they're beautiful. They look like apothecary bottles. On one side, in raised glass is is lavender to mark ounces, and on the other side is Rosemary to mark, to mark milliliters. So it looks very natural. It's not that institutional measurement, and it's borosilic glass. You could drop it from a height over my head. I'm not that tall, but and it can hit the concrete not shatter. It'll come with a beautiful silicone sleeve and a few different colors. It will come with a silicone collar and a silicone nipple. So no plastic, no lead, no none of the toxic stuff we're trying to get out of our house. And when you are done using it, so it's beautiful, it's square so it does not roll off a table. And when you're done using it for a baby, it comes with accessories where you can change it into an oil and vinegar dispenser for your kitchen, so it has an oil and vinegar spout and a soap and lotion pump. Because Why can't you use it for all these amazing other things, like whether it's a flower vase or whatever, and you just use it all over in your house, or you can gift it, and then you know, baby number two comes along, or whatever happens, and you just go through the house, and you just scoop them all up and you just use them again.

Kaile Hunt 39:01
I You are so funny when you set a flower base, because my husband and I are really big on Mason jars. We love them. We use, yeah, they're everything. They literally hold our leftovers and our flowers. You guys drink water out of them. And when those bottles, these glass bottles, come out, I'm gonna do the same thing. They're gonna be my flower. They're gonna be what I drink my iced coffee atta and yeah, my daughter.

Lisa Myers 39:21
And just in time for your daughter, they have a sippy lid attachment, a straw lid, the whole thing, so you'll be all set. Oh,

Kaile Hunt 39:29
I love that. Well, we'll definitely have to have you back on when these get released. How excited? Well, last, really, last question is, what tips do you have to install for you know, working moms who are in the trenches, who are struggling, who maybe tune in and they're like, wait a second, I need to be like a host Kaylee and Google your website while listening to the episode. But what tips do you have to instill confidence on breastfeeding, pumping while working? I.

Lisa Myers 40:00
I would so, so we have a whole blog post about it, because it's like, it is the question, I would say, to understand there's so understand your rights. So there's the pump act, there's all kinds of laws out there that support you and have place responsibility on your employer. But really, we're still in a place in history and the world where we have to own part of it ourselves. And I think a lot of employers would like to be more supportive, but they don't know where to start. I mean, heck, I didn't know what I needed going back to work. So I think to the extent that we can really take charge of our own destiny. And I know it's not easy, and a lot of us are shy or intimidated. We don't like confrontation, but I think to approach it going to your employer and just even just saying, hey, I want to be wildly successful in this job, I understand your priorities and your bottom line. I see myself contributing to this company, you know, whether it's months or years to come, but I want to be part of your success this year, and to be successful, I also want to breastfeed like I'll be sick less my family will be sick less. I want to show up and really be a part of what you're trying to pull off. I need two breaks a day for, you know, 25 minutes I would. I need a, you know, private space to pump. I already have identified a place in the office, like this conference room we don't use that will work for me. And I just, I really want to work with you on this, because it's something that's hugely important to me, whether that's in an email or an in person conversation. I think that will make all the difference. And and then I, like I said, just and I think it is good to have the conversation in person, because I think a lot comes from just looking somebody in the eye and reading their body language and helping to answer questions, but then removing any barriers you can for yourself and looking for ways to give yourself grace and and I know that gets used a lot, but and look after yourself and thinking of it in terms of just a single ounce a day, because it really does Make a difference when you think, oh my gosh, I have to pump for No, no less than 45 ounces every day while I'm at work, and then I have to have a freezer stash of no less than 200 ounces. I mean, I'd be I'd be done day one. I'd be like, You're kidding me? There is no way I'm I'm getting there and I'm already tapping out, but yeah, when you when you look after yourself, and you put things in perspective, and you know that it's as much about you as your baby or your you know even to involve your employer, when you really add yourself into the equation and think about what you need to care for yourself. I think you'll be surprised at how incredibly, wildly successful you can be. I mean, a lot of people are like, drink water, have snacks, all of that, for sure, that's looking after yourself. But think about it in terms of what you need to just be okay, like, let's start there and then, and then move outward from that absolutely

Kaile Hunt 43:23
Lisa, you are amazing. First of all, second of all, we love having all star women, all star moms, on the show. This has been so inspiring, and I'm excited it'll go out right before Christmas and even in the new year, so people can get their hands on your chiller. Yay. Thank you so much for joining me today. Yeah,

Lisa Myers 43:41
your mighty moms community is really something. And I've always loved this podcast. The practical advice is just terrific. So I'm honored to have been part of this, this episode, and definitely, if it's okay, we'll drop in the notes, the discount, and then the couple blog posts I mentioned, we have a sample email that moms can send to their employer just different things to help all of us take care of ourselves and advocate for ourselves. That might be helpful. How

Kaile Hunt 44:12
exciting our listeners will love it. Yay. Thank you.

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